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Q&A: Submitting To Search Engines
By Jill Whalen - April 27, 2001 (From the Rank Write Roundtable Newsletter)

~~~High Search Engine Rankings~~~

This week we got a number of questions related to the process of submitting to search engines and directories. Instead of choosing one and answering it, I'm going to sum up a few of them and give you one big ol' all-encompassing answer.

In sum, the questions were as follows:

Q 1: I submitted my site using an automated online service. Since then, I have not manually submitted to all the main search engines (Yahoo business express, Altavista, Hotbot etc.) as I have been assured that this is part of their service. I have read conflicting reports about this and am not sure what to do next. I understood also, that manually submitting to all would be costly, not guaranteed and a very timely exercise. What's the benefit of using a search engine optimization consultant for submissions, as opposed to an automated online service?

Q 2: Is it worthwhile to spend time, effort and money on submissions to directories and search engines like LookSmart and Inktomi? Won't the editors and spiders pick up good sites and add them on their own? I have a lot of links so can I expect them to find my site without making submissions?

Q 3: Our client's website is not listed in Yahoo, but is ranked highly in Google. Should we bother submitting it to Yahoo? Because Yahoo doesn't have a relevant category, it reverts to Google's listings when we search for keywords associated with our client's business---and our client ranks high in Google's search engine. Everything we read recommends submitting to Yahoo, as it is one of the top directories/search engines. But if we are already getting good results with Google, what is the point?


~~~Jill's Response~~~

These are all great (and apparently common) questions. We did talk extensively about whether or not one should pay to get a site listed, back in Issue 034. However, we haven't touched upon some of these other issues.

First, let me tackle the issue of automated submission sites and programs. The major difference between these and a "respectable" SEO company is that, with an automated program, your site gets submitted "as is." Nobody checks that you're focusing on the best keyphrases for your site, and nobody looks at your copywriting or Meta tags to see if they have what it takes to get high rankings. Yes, I realize that some of these automated programs do have some ability to look at tags and count keyphrases. However, there is no substitute for human review, especially when it comes to the copywriting. Automated programs can certainly get a site added to the spidering search engine's database, but in all likelihood, they will not get a site a high ranking.

As for any site getting into the Yahoo! directory (or any directory) through an automated submission program, dream on! Directory submittals *must* be completed by a human being. Period. Don't be the village idiot by believing the lofty claims and lies propagated by some automated submittal programs. The reputable ones will tell you flat out that you need to manually submit to Directories yourself. If they tell you otherwise, think twice about using their service and/or investigate what they mean by their claims. Find out exactly how they go about their Directory submittals.

As I've mentioned here before, manually submitting to search engines is *not* a time-consuming endeavor. What *is* time consuming is the up-front work to get a site ready to be submitted. Submitting is the easiest and quickest aspect of a search engine optimization campaign. Search engines have made it clear that they don't particularly care for automated programs putting their added load on their servers. Don't blow all your hard-earned up-front work by risking the possible consequences of an automated submission.

Regarding the question of whether or not one should even bother submitting to the search engines and directories at all, my opinion is to definitely submit! Yes, they do say they'll add sites on their own, but as the Web (and the search engine databases) grow bigger and bigger, this happens less and less. Especially where directories are concerned. I can almost guarantee you that Yahoo! and LookSmart will *never* add a business site on their own volition. They want to snatch your two hundred hard-earned bucks. With the search engines, if you have links to your site from other sites, you do stand some chance of getting picked up. Google is very good about finding sites this way. The "Fast Company" search engine is another one that's good at spidering. Inktomi used to be good at this, but with their paid program now in place, I'm not sure if they're still spidering like they used to. The rest of the engines are also pretty "iffy" when it comes to their spidering and indexing unsubmitted sites. Why leave it up to chance? Yeah, they may spider and add you, but it takes long enough to be listed even when you submit. Why make it take even longer, and/or risk not getting listed at all? If you haven't actually optimized your site content and tags, then I would definitely say not to bother submitting. But if you've done what it takes, then by all means, submit!

As for whether or not a Google listing makes it unnecessary to have a Yahoo! directory listing, my feeling is that the more representation you can get, the better. If you can afford to pay the *bribe* fee, I'd say to go for it. If you're on a very limited budget, then your Google listing may certainly be good enough. With Yahoo! it's kind of a gamble and nobody can make that decision for you. Unfortunately, you'll never really know the potential traffic that your Yahoo! directory listing will bring, until you have it. Some sites can get tons, and others get only a couple of visitors a day. It very much depends on the keyphrases you're able to place into your Yahoo! description.

Hope this adds a bit more to everyone's search engine submission knowledge base!

Jill


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