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Meta Tags, Submission and Resubmission
By Jill Whalen - January 11, 2002 (From the Rank Write Roundtable Newsletter)

~~~Search Engine Optimization~~~

From: Ayman Trabulsi

Hi, Jill and Heather,

I think I'm lucky I could find your site, and subscribed to your RoundTable mailing list. The unique and lovely way of communicating with your readers encouraged me to seek your generosity for a few questions.

I'm working now on my website design, and hope it'll be on in a couple of months. I've read some of your articles and past email discussions. Three points weren't clear to me.

1. You say that keyword Meta tags should be separated by commas, NO spaces. But in my research, when I "view source" of the sites that come on top in ANY search query, in ANY search engine, I find that ALL of them use commas AND spaces to separate their keyword Meta tags. How do you explain this?

2. You also say that some search engines, Altavista as I remember, allow me to submit up to 5 URLs. Does this mean that there is a limitation to the number of webpages that could be submitted to the search engines? Can't I submit TENS of my pages if I don't want to wait for them to be spidered?

3. I understood from your articles, that frequent submission might hurt my website. Well, in fact, my plan was to do it myself first. Then, if the results were not to my satisfaction, I would hire an expert to implement the necessary amendments, and resubmit the pages. Would it work this way or still such a thing, this resubmission, might hurt my site?

Thank you in advance. Please excuse my language since English is not my mother tongue.

Best regards,

Ayman Trabulsi


~~~Jill's Response~~~

Ayman,

Thanks for your kind words about Rank Write. I do believe that our "unique and lovely way of communicating" is definitely our greatest asset, and one of the reasons our subscriber base has grown as quickly as it has. (We've past the 7500 subscriber mark this week!)

On to your questions, which I'll take one at a time.

1. The age-old commas and spaces Meta tag debate.

Yes, it is true that when you view the source code for high-ranking sites, you will see that many have commas and spaces in their Meta keyword tag. It is absolutely fine to do it this way. You can also do them with a comma and no space, and with no commas at all. I happen to prefer the comma with no space method, since it's what I'm used to using. Whichever way you do them will have no effect on your rankings, in my opinion. The reason I used to suggest a comma and no space was because it was a way you could get more words into your limited amount of Meta tag space. Traditionally, you wouldn't want to go over 1000 characters for this tag. A space counts as a character, so if you were worried about how many characters you are putting in this tag, you can conserve characters this way. But like I said, it makes no difference either way. Currently only AltaVista and Inktomi look at this tag, and they don't place much emphasis on its content when determining rankings. For this reason, I don't even use this tag on most of my own Web sites any more. A rule of thumb for the Meta keyword tag is not to spend any time worrying or obsessing about it, and only spend minimal time creating it.

2. How many URLs can you submit a day?

Submitting to spidering search engines used to be much more of a chore than it is these days. Now, submitting is not a major part of an SEO/Webmaster's job. The search engines that matter will almost always find your site on their own. If your site is linked from another site in their database, i.e., Yahoo, DMOZ, LookSmart, or any site at all, Google and even Inktomi will find it and spider it. You can submit your site to Google's "Add URL" page, as many times as you'd like, however, it probably won't speed up anything for you. According to their documentation, they will not penalize you for over submitting. They do mention that your time would be better spent improving the content and links of your site, and I'd certainly agree with them there!

It's true that AltaVista allows you to submit only up to five URLs a day for free. However, when you submit the free way, it really doesn't matter how many URLs a day you submit to them; if the recent past is any indication, you probably won't see any of them in their index for a very long time. If you care whether or not you're in AltaVista's database, you can submit through their Express Inclusion program and submit up to 500 URL's a day. You can even submit more than 500 pages by joining their Trusted Feed Program. I personally do not feel that AV provides enough quality referrals to join these programs at this time, although I'm sure others would beg to differ.

3. Frequent Submitting and Resubmitting

As I mentioned in the last answer, important engines such as Google and Inktomi will usually find your pages on their own. However, if you've just made changes, it will not hurt to submit to either of those engines. To be sure you're listed in the Inktomi database, you can join their Paid Inclusion program through an Inktomi partner company like Position Technologies. Being included through that program ensures that your submitted URLs will be respidered every 48 hours. This way you can make changes to your heart's content and never have to resubmit the pages. Even without their Paid Inclusion program your pages can still get into the Inktomi database; however, like AltaVista, it can be slow going and is not guaranteed.

With Google, they generally refresh their index each month. So if you have a URL that you've already made changes to in their database, rest assured that it will be refreshed in the next big re-indexing. Google is also spidering and indexing many URLs on a more frequent basis these days, as evidenced by the Fresh label, which we talked briefly about in Issue 072. If your page has a decent PageRank (I'm thinking perhaps five and up), you may be spidered every few days. The beauty of this is you don't even have to pay for inclusion! (Quick additional note about the "fresh" tag: It appears as if any site can be labeled fresh, and it simply means that the fresh URL has been spidered/added on the fresh date. It doesn't necessarily mean that the page itself has been changed.)

A few things to remember in all of this talk about submitting to the search engines:

Resubmitting a page to any search engine when that page hasn't changed will absolutely, positively NOT change its rankings. Don't waste your time or money on programs or services that resubmit your site on a regular basis. The only things that will change your rankings are changing the information and/or the coding on your pages, and acquiring more outside links that point to your site.

You really only need to concentrate your efforts on human-edited directory listings such as Yahoo, LookSmart and DMOZ, plus the spidering Google, Inktomi and I suppose, AllTheWeb/FAST. These databases will also keep you covered in the important Web portal sites such as MSN and AOL. If you're in the UK, you'll also need to put some effort into Lycos UK since it's very popular there. Be aware though, Lycos UK has joined the bandwagon and recently instituted a "Fast Include" program, for a price of course (£69 pa)!

Jill


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